The Lost Friendship
What makes this piece compelling is how Dan Carlin and John Gazvinian reframe a relationship Americans have largely forgotten — the decades when Iran was one of America's closest allies. The conversation traces not just diplomatic history, but the emotional arc of how that friendship collapsed.
Carlin opens by acknowledging his own bias: "i remember the country as one of our greatest friends in the world maybe our greatest friend" in the region during the 1970s. This framing is effective because it names what many younger Americans have never experienced — an Iran that was a partner, not an adversary. The guest, John Gazvinian, confirms this was indeed a "heyday of US-Iran relations" — a period when Iran was "portrayed very positively in the United States" and seen as "this kind of glamorous kingdom."
The conversation then pivots to something more surprising: how far back the connection actually goes. Gazvinian notes that Iranians sought American friendship starting in the 1850s, "to cultivate a sort of third force against the British and the Russians." This is the piece's strongest revelation — that for nearly two centuries, Iran actively courted America as an alternative to European powers.
The United States seemed to have a very hands-off and even some ways anti-imperialist kind of viewpoint.
The anecdote about the first disagreement between Iran and the US is revelatory: "the very first disagreement that Lebanon in the United States ever had was in the 1850s" when Iran wanted to purchase American warships to send "a message to the British." The Americans said no — "we don't want to interfere in your affairs."
This history reveals something often lost in today's discourse: Iran has always wanted America involved. The current adversarial relationship is actually the anomaly, not the pattern.
The Constitutional Parallels
The conversation then turns to Iran's political evolution — specifically the 1906 constitutional revolution, which Gazvinian describes as creating "the first Muslim country with a parliament immediately the first country in Asia to have a parliament." This detail matters because it challenges the narrative that Islam and parliamentary democracy are naturally opposed.
What emerges is a pattern: both the 1906 constitutional revolution and the 1979 Islamic revolution were driven by "public dissatisfaction with the Iranian governments giving away too much to foreign governments." The same dynamic that fueled anti-British and anti-Russian sentiment in the 19th century later targeted the United States. This is the piece's most important insight — the grievance has always been about foreign influence, not specifically about America.
Critics might argue that framing this as purely a story of lost friendship oversimplifies the complex ideological revolutions that defined Iran's modern history. The 1979 revolution was not merely anti-American — it fundamentally reshaped the country's governance structure around Islamic law. The emotional nostalgia for a friendly Iran ignores how much the internal political dynamics had already shifted before the US-Iran relationship fractured.
Bottom Line
The strongest thread running through this conversation is the "third force" strategy — Iran's deliberate, centuries-long effort to balance European powers by cultivating American friendship. That history explains why the current antagonism feels so jarring and unnatural. The vulnerability lies in assuming history predicts future; the 1979 revolution broke every pattern Gazvinian describes, and no amount of historical ties guarantees a return to cooperation. What should concern readers is how quickly the "friendly" era was forgotten — suggesting that once relationships break, they may not be recoverable.
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The Lost Friendship
What makes this piece compelling is how Dan Carlin and John Gazvinian reframe a relationship Americans have largely forgotten — the decades when Iran was one of America's closest allies. The conversation traces not just diplomatic history, but the emotional arc of how that friendship collapsed.
Carlin opens by acknowledging his own bias: "i remember the country as one of our greatest friends in the world maybe our greatest friend" in the region during the 1970s. This framing is effective because it names what many younger Americans have never experienced — an Iran that was a partner, not an adversary. The guest, John Gazvinian, confirms this was indeed a "heyday of US-Iran relations" — a period when Iran was "portrayed very positively in the United States" and seen as "this kind of glamorous kingdom."
The conversation then pivots to something more surprising: how far back the connection actually goes. Gazvinian notes that Iranians sought American friendship starting in the 1850s, "to cultivate a sort of third force against the British and the Russians." This is the piece's strongest revelation — that for nearly two centuries, Iran actively courted America as an alternative to European powers.
The United States seemed to have a very hands-off and even some ways anti-imperialist kind of viewpoint.
The anecdote about the first disagreement between Iran and the US is revelatory: "the very first disagreement that Lebanon in the United States ever had was in the 1850s" when Iran wanted to purchase American warships to send "a message to the British." The Americans said no — "we don't want to interfere in your affairs."
This history reveals something often lost in today's discourse: Iran has always wanted America involved. The current adversarial relationship is actually the anomaly, not the pattern.
The Constitutional Parallels
The conversation then turns to Iran's political evolution — specifically the 1906 constitutional revolution, which Gazvinian describes as creating "the first Muslim country with a parliament immediately the first country in Asia to have a parliament." This detail matters because it challenges the narrative that Islam and parliamentary democracy are naturally opposed.
What emerges is a pattern: both the 1906 constitutional revolution and the 1979 Islamic revolution were driven by "public dissatisfaction with the Iranian governments giving away too much to foreign governments." The same dynamic that fueled anti-British and anti-Russian sentiment in the 19th century later targeted the United States. This is the piece's most important insight — the grievance has always been about foreign influence, not specifically about America.
Critics might argue that framing this as purely a story of lost friendship oversimplifies the complex ideological revolutions that defined Iran's modern history. The 1979 revolution was not merely anti-American — it fundamentally reshaped the country's governance structure around Islamic law. The emotional nostalgia for a friendly Iran ignores how much the internal political dynamics had already shifted before the US-Iran relationship fractured.
Bottom Line
The strongest thread running through this conversation is the "third force" strategy — Iran's deliberate, centuries-long effort to balance European powers by cultivating American friendship. That history explains why the current antagonism feels so jarring and unnatural. The vulnerability lies in assuming history predicts future; the 1979 revolution broke every pattern Gazvinian describes, and no amount of historical ties guarantees a return to cooperation. What should concern readers is how quickly the "friendly" era was forgotten — suggesting that once relationships break, they may not be recoverable.
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What makes this piece compelling is how Dan Carlin and John Gazvinian reframe a relationship Americans have largely forgotten — the decades when Iran was one of America's closest allies. The conversation traces not just diplomatic history, but the emotional arc of how that friendship collapsed.
Carlin opens by acknowledging his own bias: "i remember the country as one of our greatest friends in the world maybe our greatest friend" in the region during the 1970s. This framing is effective because it names what many younger Americans have never experienced — an Iran that was a partner, not an adversary. The guest, John Gazvinian, confirms this was indeed a "heyday of US-Iran relations" — a period when Iran was "portrayed very positively in the United States" and seen as "this kind of glamorous kingdom."
The conversation then pivots to something more surprising: how far back the connection actually goes. Gazvinian notes that Iranians sought American friendship starting in the 1850s, "to cultivate a sort of third force against the British and the Russians." This is the piece's strongest revelation — that for nearly two centuries, Iran actively courted America as an alternative to European powers.
The United States seemed to have a very hands-off and even some ways anti-imperialist kind of viewpoint.
The anecdote about the first disagreement between Iran and the US is revelatory: "the very first disagreement that Lebanon in the United States ever had was in the 1850s" when Iran wanted to purchase American warships to send "a message to the British." The Americans said no — "we don't want to interfere in your affairs."
This history reveals something often lost in today's discourse: Iran has always wanted America involved. The current adversarial relationship is actually the anomaly, not the pattern.
The Constitutional Parallels
The conversation then turns to Iran's political evolution — specifically the 1906 constitutional revolution, which Gazvinian describes as creating "the first Muslim country with a parliament immediately the first country in Asia to have a parliament." This detail matters because it challenges the narrative that Islam and parliamentary democracy are naturally opposed.
What emerges is a pattern: both the 1906 constitutional revolution and the 1979 Islamic revolution were driven by "public dissatisfaction with the Iranian governments giving away too much to foreign governments." The same dynamic that fueled anti-British and anti-Russian sentiment in the 19th century later targeted the United States. This is the piece's most important insight — the grievance has always been about foreign influence, not specifically about America.
Critics might argue that framing this as purely a story of lost friendship oversimplifies the complex ideological revolutions that defined Iran's modern history. The 1979 revolution was not merely anti-American — it fundamentally reshaped the country's governance structure around Islamic law. The emotional nostalgia for a friendly Iran ignores how much the internal political dynamics had already shifted before the US-Iran relationship fractured.
Bottom Line
The strongest thread running through this conversation is the "third force" strategy — Iran's deliberate, centuries-long effort to balance European powers by cultivating American friendship. That history explains why the current antagonism feels so jarring and unnatural. The vulnerability lies in assuming history predicts future; the 1979 revolution broke every pattern Gazvinian describes, and no amount of historical ties guarantees a return to cooperation. What should concern readers is how quickly the "friendly" era was forgotten — suggesting that once relationships break, they may not be recoverable.