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Excavating göbekli tepe: An interview with archaeologist jens notroff

Andrew Henry doesn't just interview an archaeologist; he unlocks the silence of ten thousand years to reveal a civilization that rewrote the rules of human history before the first seed was ever planted. The piece's most startling claim is that monumental architecture didn't follow agriculture, as textbooks long insisted, but actually preceded it, forcing hunter-gatherers to organize, build, and perhaps believe in something greater than survival. This is not a dry recitation of dates; it is a narrative about the moment humanity stopped running and started building.

The Silence of Prehistory

Henry frames the interview through the lens of Jens Notroff's unique position as both a field archaeologist and a science communicator. He highlights the sheer difficulty of the discipline, noting that prehistory covers "90% or even more than 90% of human history," yet leaves us with almost no written records. Notroff explains that without texts, archaeologists must become detectives of intent, forced to ask, "What does the shape mean? What is the intention of the object?" This shift from reading history to reading objects is the article's intellectual engine. It forces the reader to confront the physical reality of the past rather than the curated stories we tell about it.

Excavating göbekli tepe: An interview with archaeologist jens notroff

The author effectively uses Notroff's distinction between different types of finds to illustrate the fragility of our knowledge. Notroff describes burials not as mirrors of life, but as "orchestrations" designed to send a message to the living society. This is a crucial nuance that Henry captures well; we are not seeing a snapshot of the dead, but a performance for the survivors. Similarly, he notes that the most honest window into daily life is often "rubbish," the stuff people left behind because they no longer needed it. As Notroff jokes, "archaeologists are basically digging up the old rubbish of long dead people to spy on their lives." This framing strips away the romanticism of archaeology, replacing it with a gritty, realistic appreciation for the mundane artifacts that actually survive.

"The real cool innovations in human history are the small parts."

The Stone Age Paradox

The core of Henry's coverage is the paradox of Göbekli Tepe: how could a society without agriculture, cities, or writing construct massive stone enclosures? Notroff describes the site as a "threshold to our modern lifestyle," located in a region where the transition from mobile hunter-gatherers to sedentary farmers was supposed to happen. Yet, the evidence suggests the monumental architecture came first. The site features T-shaped pillars, some 5.5 meters high, arranged in circles that predate Stonehenge by millennia. Henry emphasizes that this discovery challenges the linear progression of history we were taught in school.

Notroff points out that the traditional "three-age system" of Stone, Bronze, and Iron is "artificial," created because organic materials like wood and bone rarely survive. This is a vital correction to the historical record. The author uses the example of Neolithic buttons and sewing needles to show that innovation wasn't limited to giant stones. "Without the sewing needle, these people were not able to cover and to protect from changing temperature," Notroff argues, suggesting that small technological leaps were just as transformative as the massive pillars. This detail grounds the grandeur of the site in the intimate reality of human survival.

Critics might note that the idea of hunter-gatherers building such complex structures without a centralized food supply remains a subject of intense debate among archaeologists. Some argue that the site implies a level of social organization that should have required agriculture. However, Henry lets Notroff's evidence speak for itself: the site exists, the pillars are there, and the timeline is undeniable.

The Dust and the Monument

Henry closes by painting a vivid picture of the excavation itself, moving from the theoretical to the visceral. He describes the site as a "dusty place" in a dry, arid region, where the monumental architecture was hidden beneath a 50-meter sediment mount for thousands of years. The contrast between the quiet, remote nature of the early excavation and the site's current status as a UNESCO World Heritage site underscores the rapid rise of Göbekli Tepe in the public consciousness. Notroff reflects on the sheer effort required, noting that "a lot of people necessary to create these" structures, implying a social cohesion that defies our stereotypes of early nomadic life.

The interview succeeds because it humanizes the data. Notroff speaks of the "nostalgia" for the hard work of fieldwork, the 12-hour days and the heat, which grounds the abstract concept of "prehistory" in the physical labor of the present. Henry captures this well, noting that while the work is "miserable" in the moment, it becomes the "good old days" in retrospect. This emotional resonance makes the scientific findings feel personal and urgent.

"You really have to think okay, what does the shape mean? What is the intention of the object?"

Bottom Line

Andrew Henry's coverage of Jens Notroff is a masterclass in translating complex archaeological theory into a compelling narrative about human origins. The piece's greatest strength is its refusal to accept the standard timeline of civilization, using the physical evidence of Göbekli Tepe to challenge the assumption that agriculture must precede religion and monumentality. Its only vulnerability is the inherent limitation of the data; as Notroff admits, we are still guessing at the intentions of people who left no words, only stones. Yet, by focusing on the "rubbish" and the "small parts" alongside the massive pillars, Henry ensures the reader understands that the story of humanity is written in both the grandest monuments and the smallest buttons.

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Excavating göbekli tepe: An interview with archaeologist jens notroff

by Andrew Henry · Religion For Breakfast · Watch video

Today's video is brought to you by our online learning platform, the Religion Department. Join our upcoming class, Archaeology of the Hebrew Bible, at religion department.com/hebrew. Back in 2015 or so, I started following an archaeologist on Twitter named Yennatro. He kept posting these sketches and field photos from a site I'd never heard of, Gobeclete.

Located in southeastern Turkey, Gobeclete dates to around 9,500 B.CE, DE, which makes it thousands of years older than Stonehenge or the Pyramids of Giza. It's one of the earliest known examples of monumental architecture in all of human history. The site consists of circular stone enclosures, each ringed by massive T-shaped pillars. The pillars are carved with foxes, snakes, vultures, and other wild animals.

I'm an archaeology nerd, so I was hooked. Yens would share his own illustrations. Yes, he's an archaeological illustrator, which is just so cool. He'd share the latest research and photographs from the field about the painstaking work of excavation.

And last year, I finally got to visit the site myself. It was mysterious, beautiful, and mind-bending. I couldn't wrap my head around just how old the site is. And the fact it was all built by hunter gatherers over 10,000 years ago, before agriculture and before cities.

And now, nearly a decade after his tweets first pulled me down the Gobbecepe rabbit hole, I finally got the chance to talk with Yen Natro, archaeologist, prehistorian, illustrator, and science communicator who worked on the site for years. We talk about the field of prehistory, how archaeologists piece together human stories without written records, and what we actually know about the people who built Quebec. And with that, here's Yen Natruff. I'm here with Yensnov.

Welcome. >> Hi, thanks for having me. So you have worked on Quebec for years at this point and >> and I've been a fan of your scholarship. I've done a few videos on the topic now and I am so delighted to finally talk with you.

So maybe just tell us a little bit about your own background as a archaeologist as and as a researcher and then we can talk a little bit about Geekco as a site. >> Yeah. Yeah. Thanks again for inviting me.

It's a it's a real pleasure to talk to you today. yeah, as you said, my name is Yans and I'm a prehistorian by training. So I ...