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"China is digging out of a crisis. And America’s luck is wearing thin." — ken rogoff

Harvard economist and former IMF chief Ken Rogoff has spent decades inside the rooms where China's leadership is trained. He once believed in their competence—but now he's warning that both China and America are losing their edge, and the combination could be catastrophic.

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"China is digging out of a crisis. And America’s luck is wearing thin." — ken rogoff

Ken Rogoff is a Harvard professor who served as chief economist at the International Monetary Fund. He's written extensively on currency policy and has spent considerable time in China, including speaking directly to top Communist Party leaders at forums like the China Development Forum.

His access was remarkable. During his IMF tenure, Rogoff met with Chinese premiers and provincial governors. He gave lectures at their party training school—essentially a Harvard-style institution where rising bureaucrats learn competence. The system once valued technical expertise above political loyalty.

But something has changed dramatically under President Xi Jinping, who assumed power in 2013. According to Rogoff, the emphasis shifted from technocratic competence to loyalists. And he sees direct consequences in China's economy.

The Seeds of Crisis

In 2010, China launched a massive stimulus program. Local governments were allowed to sell land and fund construction companies through creative accounting—essentially creating endless ways to finance themselves. This innovation produced growth but planted the seeds of today's problems: massive overbuilding in housing and infrastructure that now sits largely empty.

When Rogoff delivered a talk in 2016 to China's leadership forum, he warned them directly about what he saw. The housing bubble had become unsustainable. Demographics were deteriorating. Power was becoming too centralized.

"They told me Xi would be Ronald Reagan—someone who would liberalize markets," Rogoff recalled. "He didn't do that."

China's official growth rates look impressive on paper—around 10% from 1980 to 2012 in raw numbers. But when adjusted for purchasing power parity, the real figure drops to just over 7%. Under Xi Jinping, even the official numbers have slowed dramatically: perhaps 6-7% versus only 3.5% in recent years.

Ghost Cities and Empty Temples

Rogoff recently visited tier-three Chinese cities—medium-sized towns outside the major metropolises—and describes what he saw as haunting.

"These cities have amazing roads, amazing real estate, but the feel of death," he said. "The train stations are huge. The movie theaters are massive complexes. There's just nobody there."

He visited a Buddhist temple built recently as a tourist site—ginormatic structure with concentric rings that would take ten minutes to drive through. Empty except for a few visitors.

Young people don't want to live in these towns. Jobs aren't there either. Yet 60% of Chinese income comes from tier-three cities, and infrastructure and real estate represent roughly a third of their economy.

The Consumption Problem

The deeper issue isn't just overbuilding—it's what China hasn't done: consume.

Their savings rate is around 45%, while the United States consumes at roughly 70%. European countries sit in the low 60s. China's consumption rate remains very low, meaning ordinary people have little to spend despite rising incomes.

"Give them money and let them consume instead of exporting it," Rogoff argued. "They've been very reluctant to do that."

The solution everyone tells China: encourage consumption, adjust exchange rates to make imports cheaper, provide social security and healthcare so people don't need to save for old age. None of this has happened meaningfully.

Now housing prices are collapsing—the primary investment vehicle for Chinese citizens who couldn't put money elsewhere. People are cutting back. The economy is grinding further.

America's Diminished Advantage

Rogoff isn't just worried about China. He's increasingly concerned about the United States as well.

"We have some very good people, but the average quality at the very top has gone down," he said. "And China's not as competent."

That combination—a less competent America meeting a crisis-laden China—creates dangerous potential for entanglement nobody wants.

Counterpoints

Some economists would argue that China's official GDP figures are still meaningful and that purchasing power parity adjustments may understate growth. Others might contend that Xi Jinping inherited structural problems predating his tenure, making blame disproportionate to his actual policies. Rogoff himself acknowledged that China's economy was always going to slow down as it matured—some decline is natural.

"The general thing would be to try to rebalance saving, investment and consumption."

Critics might also note that the West's own institutional quality has declined in recent years, making America's competence advantage less certain than Rogoff suggests. The U.S. faces its own demographic and fiscal challenges independent of China.

Bottom Line

Rogoff's core insight is compelling: China's crisis isn't a technical problem with a simple fix—it's structural, born from decades of overinvestment and suppressed consumption that cannot be reversed overnight. His biggest concern—that the U.S.-China relationship could devolve into mutual incompetence—isn't just about economics. It's about geopolitical stability in an era when both powers are simultaneously weakening. Watch for signs that China's stimulus attempts fail to move markets, or that America's institutional decay accelerates—both would signal compounding risk for global stability.

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"China is digging out of a crisis. And America’s luck is wearing thin." — ken rogoff

by Dwarkesh Patel · Dwarkesh Patel · Watch video

Today I'm speaking with Ken Rogoff who is a professor at Harvard, author recently of Our Dollar, former chief economist at the IMF. Ken, thanks so much for coming on the podcast. thanks so much for having me. and welcome to Harvard, which is where we're filming this.

In your book, you have a lot of anecdotes of meeting different Chinese leaders, especially when you were chief economist at the IMF. And it seems like you had positive experiences. They would listen. You met the premier with your family and he would like listen to your advice.

So, one, how does that inform your view about how competent their leadership is? And two, how do you think they got into this mess with their big stimulus or whatever else you think went wrong to the extent that when you were talking to them in the early 2000s, it seemed like, you were kind of seeing eye to eye or they would understand your perspective. Do you think something changed in the meantime? Well, I first want to be careful to say they listen to everybody.

the Chinese are way better than we are of sort of hearing a hundred different views. mine would be one of many that they heard. So I was very impressed by the competence of the Chinese leaders. So I actually gave a lecture in their party training school where if you're a mayor, you're a provincial governor, you're any bureaucrat on your way up, you go to this thing which for them is like Harvard Business School.

They really looked for competence. So of course there were various loyalty things but there you meet the leaders and I met a lot of them and when I was at the school I met a whole bunch of people they actually asked really raw questions too. They said things I couldn't believe it that they were asking and I was told within the school you're allowed to say anything. So they had this system for a long time and when you met Chinese technocrats or even sort of the mayor of Shanghai or they were impressive.

I'm not saying ours aren't but it's a mix. I think that and then Xi Jinping has really changed that. So he's been the president since 2013 and he's over time pushed out this system and gone more to loyalists and ...