Ezra Klein: Abundance Politics | Doomscroll

I think there are too few visions of the future. I think of Mark Andre in some ways as more of my counterpart. Yes. And the person I am sparring with a little bit more.

Right. And so what I see kind of emerging among people who feel very dedicated to leftwing values is a kind of Malthusianism, antihumanism, this rapidity of the rise of BLM of the me too movement to some degree of then the alt-right and the new right backlash to that. I think there's a dynamic where things rises very very fast. I was surprised in the conclusion that you're making reference to marks and angles.

I remember a couple years ago when all of a sudden we were talking about tankies and it was like are we really going to take this seriously and in the end I think you don't have to take it that seriously but but they were out there right and they would have gotten zero attention before that you would know for your sins. Welcome to Doomscroll. I'm your host Joshua Citerella. My guest is Ezra Klene an author, journalist and political commentator.

He is an opinion columnist at the New York Times and the host of the Ezra Klein show. He is a co-author along with Derek Thompson of a new book titled Abundance. Republicans for a long time online have liked to accuse other people of being uh NPCs, non-player characters. I have never seen a crew of NPCs like Republicans in Congress right now.

They are just I mean they are just like the little figures walking around in the background of Grand Theft Auto. They don't exist. And like I've met these people. They have views.

They have ideas. They have egos. But when Trump says you're voting for RFK Jun, I mean, can you [ __ ] imagine being a hardcore prolife Republican, you fought your way up through politics, you, you know, you made money or you won early elections and then you got elected to the House, then you won a competitive primary, now you're a senator and you have a particular expertise in public health issues. Then Donald Trump comes in and he's like, "You're voting for RFK Jr.

now. You hate Kennedys, right? aside from everything else and you're just going to do it. And meanwhile, you're RFK Jr.

and you're ...