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Reacting to margot robbie's ‘mary queen of scots' movie

Dan Snow, alongside historian Dr. Joanne Paul, dismantles the romanticized veneer of the Greta Gerwig-directed film Mary Queen of Scots to reveal a gritty political struggle where faith and gender collide. Rather than simply critiquing costumes, the commentary exposes how the film compresses decades of diplomatic maneuvering into a personal drama, often sacrificing historical nuance for cinematic tension. For the busy listener, this analysis cuts through the Hollywood gloss to ask a vital question: does this version of history illuminate the real stakes of the Tudor succession, or does it merely distract from them?

The Architecture of Exile

The piece opens by correcting the popular myth of Mary's return to Scotland. Snow notes that the film depicts a "dangerous crossing" and a lack of glory, yet historical records suggest a triumphant entry into Edinburgh. "There is no record of her crawling onto a beach having been shipwrecked or anything like that," Snow observes, pointing out that the movie's gloomy aesthetic serves a narrative purpose rather than a factual one. The film contrasts a dark, ruinous Scotland with a luxurious, Renaissance England, a choice Snow argues has "some truth to it" regarding relative wealth, but ignores the fact that Scotland was also embracing the Renaissance.

Reacting to margot robbie's ‘mary queen of scots' movie

This framing is effective because it highlights the isolation Mary felt, even if the physical setting is dramatized. The commentary rightly identifies that the film uses location as a character, turning Holyrood into a symbol of decay. However, the analysis could go deeper into the specific architectural details of Holyrood Palace during the 1560s, which was indeed a modern construction with a "fantastic library," as Snow mentions. By focusing on the visual contrast, the film risks oversimplifying the cultural sophistication of the Scottish court, which was not merely a medieval backwater but a complex political entity.

"They try to draw a contrast, I think, between Scotland, which is shown, it's very dark... with this light, luxurious, very Renaissance English court."

The Succession Crisis and the Dudley Gambit

The core of the argument shifts to the tangled relationship between Elizabeth I and her cousin Mary. Snow and Paul dissect the film's portrayal of Robert Dudley, played by Joe Alwyn, as a central figure in the succession debate. The commentary notes the casting choice: "Joe Alwyn is is deeply blonde," whereas the historical Dudley was described as "very sworthy, sort of dark looks." Despite this physical discrepancy, the analysis concedes that Alwyn captures the "charm" necessary for the role.

The historical weight here is immense. The film suggests Elizabeth considered marrying Dudley to Mary, a move Snow explains was a political maneuver to control the Scottish queen. "Elizabeth even went so far as to enl Dudley in 1564, giving him the title Earl of Leester, probably to make him more attractive as a groom for Mary, Queen of Scots," the commentary explains. This highlights the precarious nature of the Tudor succession, where marriage was a tool of statecraft. The film's depiction of the "awkward wedding" and the tension between the two queens is grounded in the reality that Mary's claim to the English throne was a constant threat to Elizabeth's legitimacy.

Critics might note that the film's focus on the personal chemistry between Elizabeth and Dudley overshadows the broader geopolitical implications of the "Rough Wooing," a brutal war waged by England to force a marriage alliance that never happened. While the film captures the emotional stakes, it glosses over the military aggression that defined the earlier years of Mary's life. As Snow points out, Mary was sent to France at five years old to escape this very pressure, a detail that underscores the lifelong impact of English foreign policy on her reign.

Faith, Gender, and the Power of Letters

Perhaps the most striking section of the commentary addresses the religious and gender dynamics that fueled the conflict. The film depicts Mary speaking English with a Scottish accent, but Snow clarifies that she likely spoke Scots or French with a French accent. "I think she's speaking English a lot when she would have been speaking Scots," Snow suggests, noting the cinematic trickery involved. This linguistic detail matters because it speaks to Mary's identity as a ruler caught between cultures.

The commentary also tackles the film's use of colorblind casting. While acknowledging that there were people of African descent in the Tudor court, Snow warns that the casting choices "don't teach us anything about racism in the tutor court, which did exist." This is a crucial distinction. The film aims for inclusivity, but in doing so, it may obscure the specific prejudices of the era. The analysis suggests that the film's approach is a "controversial choice" that sparks necessary conversation, even if it doesn't fully replicate historical reality.

The relationship between the two queens is further explored through their correspondence. "Really, the entire relationship between Elizabeth and Mary is conducted via letters," Snow states, emphasizing that they never met in person. The film compiles various letters into a single, emotional plea from Mary, which Snow argues is a "compilation of a few different letters" designed to make the stakes clear to the viewer. This narrative device works to humanize the political conflict, but it risks reducing a complex diplomatic struggle to a personal feud.

"Mary especially was very emotional in her letters to Elizabeth. She employed a particular kind of emotional rhetoric um that drew attention to the fact that they were family."

The commentary also touches on the role of John Knox, played by David Tennant, as a vocal opponent of Mary's Catholicism. The scene where Knox challenges Mary's authority as a woman and a papist is described as a "great scene" for understanding the religious politics of the 1560s. Snow notes that Knox's rhetoric was not just theological but deeply gendered, arguing that "their sight is but blindness, their strength weakness, their counsel foolishness, their judgment frenzy." This highlights the unique vulnerability Mary faced as a female monarch in a male-dominated political landscape.

Bottom Line

Dan Snow and Dr. Joanne Paul offer a nuanced critique that balances historical accuracy with an appreciation for the film's dramatic strengths. Their strongest argument lies in exposing how the film uses visual and linguistic shortcuts to simplify complex political realities, particularly regarding the succession crisis and religious conflict. However, the commentary's biggest vulnerability is its occasional acceptance of the film's dramatic license without fully exploring the long-term consequences of the "Rough Wooing" and the specific nature of Tudor racism. Readers should watch for how future historical dramas navigate the tension between inclusive casting and historical fidelity, as this piece suggests the debate is far from settled.

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Reacting to margot robbie's ‘mary queen of scots' movie

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And here we have him. It's Robert Dudley. played here by Joe Alwin. Swifty's enemy number one, Joe Alwin.

They've given her, I think, a different nose to try to downplay the fact that she's gorgeous. The world's most awkward wedding when the groom gives a lap dance. I'm Dr. Joanne Paul.

I'm a tutor historian and author of The House of Dudley and Thomas Moore, A Life and Death in Tutor England. And today we're taking a deep dive into Mary Queen of Scots with Cersa Ronin and Margot Robbie Valley. >> So at the age of 19, Mary, Queen of Scots arrives back in Scotland. Where has she been?

She's Mary, Queen of Scots. Why was she not in Scotland? She's been in France. So Mary becomes queen at six days old after her father James V is killed following a battle with the English.

At 5 years old she's sent to France to marry the Don of France, the heir to the French throne. In the midst of all of that, there is what's called the rough wooing. And this is an attempt on the part of the English to ensure that Mary, Queen of Scots marries the heir to the English throne, Edward. And this is a war that takes place to try to force this marriage.

It doesn't work. And Mary is sent to France. She lives there for the next 10 years until her husband Francis becomes king of France. And so Mary, Queen of Scots, is also Queen of France.

Unfortunately, only for a very short while. Her husband dies. And there's really at that point no other reason for her to be in France. And so she returns to Scotland, her native land, to rule as Queen of Scots.

It is a dangerous crossing the channel all the way up to Scotland. There's no record of her crawling onto a beach having been shipwrecked or anything like that, but I think it's it's meant to show the lack of glory that accompanies her return to Scotland. there is actually a lot of celebration when she comes back. she rides triumphantly through the streets of Edinburgh.

but none of that is shown here. >> You must be tired. >> I am quite well. >> The supper has been prepared.

We can have it brought up to your chambers if you like. >> Yes. ...