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A tough question indeed

In a cultural moment obsessed with moral purity tests, George Saunders offers a startlingly pragmatic alternative: the freedom to hold two contradictory truths at once. He argues that the artist who walks away from the desk is a different entity than the "ghost" that appears during the act of creation, a distinction that allows us to learn from flawed masters without endorsing their flaws.

The Ghost in the Machine

Saunders begins by dismantling the pressure to have a definitive opinion on everything, suggesting that silence can be a valid, even alert, stance. He writes, "We seem to be losing the ability or desire to just be silent on certain questions. (Silent and sad; silent and interested; silent and alert.)" This observation cuts through the noise of modern discourse, where the demand for immediate judgment often overshadows the nuance of engagement. The core of his argument rests on the idea that artistic power does not require moral perfection; in fact, it often emerges from the very imperfections we condemn in daily life.

A tough question indeed

To illustrate this, Saunders recounts his own transformative encounter with Louis-Ferdinand Celine, a writer whose anti-Semitism and collaborationism make him a pariah in many circles. Saunders describes stumbling upon Celine's Journey to the End of the Night in a library, noting, "Something popped open in my head, of the 'Wait, you can do that?' variety." He admits that he never finished the book and only read the first five pages, yet those pages fundamentally altered his trajectory as a writer. "Would I 'unread' them, if I could? Absolutely not," he asserts. This anecdote is powerful because it prioritizes the utility of art for the reader's growth over the moral ledger of the creator. Critics might argue that this approach risks normalizing abhorrent behavior by separating it too cleanly from its source, but Saunders suggests that the alternative—denying oneself access to vital artistic tools—serves no one.

The artist is a sort of ghost who appears during working hours, and that ghost is what we admire.

The Separation of Person and Performance

The essay's most provocative claim is that the "person who wrote it" is a temporary construction, a "ghost" that recedes once the work is done. Saunders writes, "That entity accrued over the time that the artist worked on the story – that writing-entity, really, was a temporary construction, that might have had very little to do with who the artist was when he or she finished for the day and went back into the world." He applies this logic to Alice Munro, whose decision to stay with her child's abuser left Saunders "heart-droppingly disappointed." Yet, he insists that the story itself has not changed. "Has the story gotten worse? I think that would be a hard case to make," he reasons. The text remains a vessel of technical and moral insight, even if the vessel's builder is compromised.

This framing challenges the reader to reconsider why we expect fiction writers to be moral paragons. Saunders posits that we project these expectations onto authors because language feels like a direct line to wisdom. "How could he have modeled and explored those virtues so vividly on the page if he didn't have a handle on them in real life?" he asks, only to answer that the "wise" voice on the page is often a performance, not a biography. This is a crucial distinction for any serious student of literature, as it liberates them from the paralysis of moral outrage. However, Saunders acknowledges the complexity: when a story directly addresses the author's own transgression, the "falseness or avoidance" might seep into the prose, creating a "hazy" quality that demands a closer, more critical reading.

The Right to Refuse

Ultimately, Saunders does not prescribe a universal rule but rather champions individual autonomy. He notes that when students declare they will not read certain writers, he views it as "an important part of the student's artistic journey, this refusal, this drawing of a line for one's self." He writes, "I will read what I like and be happy when other people read what they like, or don't read what they don't like. It's all fine with me; these are private decisions." This refusal to police the reading habits of others is a refreshing counter to the current climate of public shaming and collective cancellation.

I am less interested in judging and disqualifying than I am in trying to get to the bottom of a thing, staying open, entertaining contradictions within myself.

Saunders suggests that the ability to hold conflicting thoughts—liking the work while disliking the person—is a sign of intellectual maturity. He encourages readers to ask themselves what they aim to do with their opinions: "If there's nothing to do with it, I try not to get too worked up." This pragmatic approach shifts the focus from performative morality to the actual work of reading and learning. While some may find this stance too lenient toward serious ethical breaches, Saunders argues that the "burning through of bad ideas" is essential for artistic progress, and that includes our own bad ideas about who deserves to be read.

Bottom Line

Saunders' strongest move is reframing the artist not as a moral role model but as a temporary, craft-driven entity whose work can transcend their personal failures. The argument's vulnerability lies in its reliance on the reader's ability to compartmentalize, which may be impossible for those directly harmed by the author's actions. The takeaway is clear: do not let the person on the page dictate the value of the work, but do not ignore the cost of that separation either.

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A tough question indeed

by George Saunders · Story Club · Read full article

Q.

Hi George,

Pre. S. -- You were a clue on Jeopardy the other day! It made me once again reflect on how lucky we are to be able to just send you questions.

My question has to do with engaging with writing from authors we know to be some level of “problematic.” The list is (unfortunately) long -- Mary Karr describes abuse from David Foster Wallace, Cormac McCarthy had some kind of relationship with a 16-year-old when he was in his 40s, Alice Munro stayed with her child’s abuser, and so on.

You’ve written before about the incongruity of judging someone like Chekhov against today’s moral standards, but I think that’s different from this.

On the one hand, there’s lots of writers, and maybe we don’t need to spend time reading ones like those listed above. On the other hand, the idea of applying some moral purity test before deciding who to read feels anti-art and boring. And for that matter where does the line get drawn, do we have a list of moral transgressions which are okay, and some that aren’t, and if someone is an even better writer we’re ok with worse behavior because of their talent?

I’m curious for your thoughts on this! The “GS method,” and the way you generally talk about how a writer writes makes me think you’re not one to argue that art can be separated from the artist. At the same time, maybe the writing can exist in a vacuum, and its relationship to its writer doesn’t actually have to impact us as readers.

P.S. No one got the Jeopardy clue. Not story clubbers.

A.

I can always tell when I’m a Jeopardy clue because I hear from many old friends, from all over the country. Thanks, Jeopardy! Always a thrill.

First, let me say that my heartfelt answer to this question is simply: everyone should approach this in whatever way they want to, end of story. We can decide not to read a certain writer, for whatever reason, or we can decide to go ahead, ditto. It really isn’t for anyone else to say.

It’s interesting the way that the world these days seems to make us feel that we need to have an opinion on everything, even when having a certain opinion may not change anything we do, or anything about the way the world responds.

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